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Title: Why I'm Avoiding ENB
Post by: Silver Sorrow on January 03, 2016, 10:14:26 AM
ENB: alleged graphics enhancer, performance killer...it's so many things. I haven't had the horsepower to do anything substantial, though I have dabbled. But now I have a new vidcard, and it's enabled me to waste my time far more non-productively than before.

I decided to use Skyrim as an example, and not Fallout 4. Why? Because FO4 looks so-so, even with my new card. (Only difference, using ultra settings: textures load faster so that it's not as blurry all the time.) I can't imagine that overlaying that bleak little ulcer-nugget of a game with a dreamy fantasy effect will make it any more palatable.

So. I only used a couple of ENB mods to test, as even I have a life outside the computer. I used:

1. [CoT] - Climates of Tamriel Project ENB, since I'm using the CoT mod.

2. Somber ENB, which is pretty popular.

3. Somber Luce Lucida ENB, which is a variation on Somber...and it also sounds like an Italian bombshell from the 50's: the woman who mud-wrestled both Sophia Loren and Gina Lollobrigida in a desperate attempt to capture the attention of the somewhat-distracted Cary Grant.

4. No ENB whatsoever. Graphics options cranked up, AA and AF maxed out. Mazel tov.

Brightness settings for all examples are at 50%.

The screenshots are of the character in the race menu. Because -- glad you didn't ask -- the effects of the gfx on the character is far more important than blurry buildings floating on a cloud of foliage. At least, as far as I'm concerned. I didn't spend the last five years of trying out textures in an attempt to improve the stupid TREES, if you catch my unimaginably potent drift.

So. The screens.

As the baseline for this waste of time, this is the non-ENB example:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/silversorrow/2016/ENB%20-%20None_zps27lzmgkn.jpg)

CoT Project:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/silversorrow/2016/ENB%20-%20CoT_zpskqec6xoq.jpg)

Somber ENB:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/silversorrow/2016/ENB%20-%20Somber_zpsgbzkoipp.jpg)

Somber LL ENB:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/silversorrow/2016/ENB%20-%20SomberLL_zpsqotj4neo.jpg)

The results are clear: forget screwing around with an ENB. It isn't worth the effort.

I recall there was an ENB for VTMB [that's Bloodlines, if anyone remembers it :lol:] that just made everything so much worse. The base game, middling-res, looked far better than after the gfx "enhancements" were applied to it.
Title: Re: Why I'm Avoiding ENB
Post by: Starfox on January 04, 2016, 03:21:11 PM
OK, so ENB definitely sucks and I'm glad to never have used it at all. All I see between your different screens is a gamma and blur variation, really. The texture render in the two last screens is shitty at best. Who designed those profiles? An anime lover?

I don't know why but each time Bethesda releases a game, the same things happen... First, nude body textures shortly followed by a cohort of anime themed mods (that makes use of the nude textures more often than not). Although I must say, regarding Fallout 4 my first thought when I went to the dedicated Nexus site was: "Why bother?". And then I started a NewGame+ with The Witcher 3 (just to remove the bad taste left by my F4 experience the depths of TW3 story and quests leave F4 resembling to a pile of garbage). I also replayed Jade Empire a bit thanks to Origin excellent idea -- for once -- (that was really the good Bioware era... even now, graphics may not be top anymore but story and characterization still are).

Talking about Bethesda games, I really pity modders who will attempt complex companions mods like Sofia (http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/54527/?) (as an example) that requires a fair amount of interaction through dialogues.  I really can't imagine what they will do with the crappy new "4 options" conversation system of Fallout 4. Maybe something like "Press A then Y then X twice then B then A again and select the desired customization option". Of course without a controller that means "Press Arrow Down then Arrow Up then Arrow Left twice then Arrow Right then Arrow Down again and select the Arrow you want".

I'm really OK with not modding F4 anyway.
Title: Re: Why I'm Avoiding ENB
Post by: Silver Sorrow on January 07, 2016, 01:06:39 AM
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All I see between your different screens is a gamma and blur variation, really. The texture render in the two last screens is shitty at best. Who designed those profiles? An anime lover?

I don't understand the attraction of it all, really. I prefer sharp, detailed textures, and the ENBs I've seen look like they're trying to make the entire game look like the Reach. (The Reach, btw, always makes me slightly nauseous; it's that damned blurry fairy-wairy wonderland effect.)

Worse, they blur out all of the weird little skin imperfections I'd worked so hard to implement.  :redhot:

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First, nude body textures shortly followed by a cohort of anime themed mods

Always.

Nude mods have very little place in my game; it's a rare day when I strip off all my armor and walk around town. I believe it's all for the chronic masturbation crowd...

...and every time I see some mod with an anime theme, I want to kick the son of a bitch's teeth right down his damn throat. If someone walks up to you in real life and drops Japanese phrases into the conversation -- and he isn't Japanese -- you do what any normal human being would do, and that's punch the stupid bastard.

Although my excuse is that I have never slept well in my entire life, I stand by what I just said.  :lol:

Btw, I finally bought the Witcher 3. I haven't been able to get to it yet, and I still haven't finished the first two games, and...

...Christ, I'm pathetic...

...but I'm looking forward to it all the same. Well...after I finish the first two. I finally finished FO4 (whillikers, what a slog), and now I can resume where I left off: wanting to strangle some priest who tasked me with gaining the villagers' trust by way of lighting five sacred flames at night.

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"Press Arrow Down then Arrow Up then Arrow Left twice then Arrow Right then Arrow Down again and select the Arrow you want".

I can't stand the dialog system at all. It's just...well. We all know.  :lol:

My conversation with Father towards the end of the questline was...interesting. He kept wandering off!?! "Sit still, you old fart..." Now I know why my mother beat the snot out of me when I wouldn't sit still.

I did stumble across a couple of interesting mods, though:

Disable Radiant From ALL Factions (http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/7277/?): apparently it disables the radiant quests in the major factions. Just a hunch.  ;D  Oh, it's modular too, so you can disable one or two or three or all four. I'm not sure how well it works yet, but I'll give it a try later.

This is MY Bed (http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/7399/?): adds craftable beds for the player *only*.

...it's a moot point, though: in my full playthrough, not once did I ever sleep. It's just not necessary. :ss-meh

Btw, my biggest gripe with the failed settlement system so far is that I can't craft a simple streetlamp.
Title: Re: Why I'm Avoiding ENB
Post by: Starfox on January 08, 2016, 07:30:00 PM
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wanting to strangle some priest who tasked me with gaining the villagers' trust by way of lighting five sacred flames at night.

That quest is a tough one especially because depending on when and how you do it you may get one of the "romance" ladies killed before doing anything with her (too bad because it's a rare one with a bit more than just the standard card). As for the priest you'll have the possibility to off him somewhere down the road so take heart.
Title: Re: Why I'm Avoiding ENB
Post by: Starfox on January 23, 2016, 09:49:51 AM
Notice: the couple of posts that were there were not delete but moved to the Fallout forum in an attempt to keep order to a minimum... I started it though so that was my fault, mea culpa...  :lol:

Those post are now part of a separate discussion Fallout 4 Radiant Quests Out (http://forums.starfoxweb.com/index.php?topic=2685.0)